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Riddles in the Dark Digest 2.02

Riddles in the Dark Digest 2.02: “Thrain in Vain” on Riddles in the Dark Digest #2.02 Trish Lambert and Laura Berkholtz ponder the fate...

Riddles in the Dark Digest 2.02: “Thrain in Vain” on Riddles in the Dark Digest #2.02

Trish Lambert and Laura Berkholtz ponder the fate of Thrain according to you, the listeners! Covering Riddles in the Dark Episode 2.02, we review analyst and listener predictions and comments on Thrain’s role in The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug. Where’s Thorin’s father, and will he show up in the next Hobbit movie? Listen and find out!

Conundrum #2.02:  Did Thrain give Gandalf the Key and the Map before or after the Battle of Azanulbizar?

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Thanks to The Lonely Mountain Band for the use of their music in this podcast. The music we are using for both the intro and outro of the Digest is “The Anvil Procession” from the Songs of the Dwarves CD.

  1. Denis March 27, 2013 at 4:57 am #

    Even before AUJ I thought PJ would minimise the role played by Thrain, or they might even conflate him with Thror, just because there are so many dwarf characters for audiences to distinguish they can’t all be developed satisfactorily. And I kept that view until this episode when it dawned on me that Azog was making reference to Throin’s father, not the grandfather he beheaded, which I assumed he was referring to during his final, subtitled rant. very interesting indeed. Personally,I see little value on expanding on the back story of Thrain or Thror, I’d rather invest that screen time in other characters.

    I’m now nervous, worrying about the nonsensical tangents PJ could take the character of Thrain on and the potentially wasted screen time. Talk of torture scenes is just more PJ over-the-top-ism that I could do without

  2. Neil Ottenstein March 28, 2013 at 12:53 pm #

    With the knowledge that there is an expanded edition of the first film due in December, I do wonder whether some of the Thrain story was left on the cutting room floor and will only be in the expanded edition. Gandalf could have met him and retrieved the map and key from him in that cut scene and there might be a slight reedit of the scene where he brings it out.

    As we get closer to both the expanded edition and film 2 we’ll find out more.

  3. Michael Lucero March 28, 2013 at 1:41 pm #

    In terms of pronunciation, I think the one you are using in the podcast is just as legitimate as the one that Peter Jackson has chosen to use in the film. According to the Aldasaga podcast, in Old Icelandic, which is the language that the poem from which Tolkien took the dwarves’ names, the name would be pronounced as “Throw-in”, not “Thran”.

  4. Murray March 29, 2013 at 8:07 am #

    I’m still sticking to D, since to switch now might make Trish think I’m brown-nosing the ‘Digesters’ rather than the Perfesser…. (I heard that snarky remark). Besides, Thrain being alive but not imprisoned was the only explanation I could come up with for that scene of Gandalf being attacked by some crazy old guy. It’s probably in Dol Guldur, but he doesn’t appear to be in a dungeon or cell. Btw, much as I like the regular RITD podcasts, I like that these Digests are compact timewise. I feel less guilty afterward…

  5. Michael Lucero March 31, 2013 at 4:14 pm #

    One thing I hadn’t considered before listening to this podcast is the fact that the movie might not contain Smaug’s death. Of course, I realized that “desolation” refers to the effect he’s had on the landscape, not his demise as some seem to think. But I always thought with the reveal of the eye at the end of film one, they wouldn’t do something similar in film two…end with a teaser, this time just a full reveal, but not involve the dragon in any of the actual story just yet. And you have to admit, Smaug’s actual participation in the story, from the time a character actually sees him to his death, is not very much. So it’s hard for me to imagine them NOT doing just a simple tease like they did in film one, but not including his death, either. But I guess y’all are right, they very well might not kill him off till film three. That would definitely solve the timing issue.

  6. Adam April 25, 2013 at 5:33 am #

    I have had a strong suspicion from the three film announcement (as mentioned in some of my previous comments) that film three might open with a Smaug death. I can see it as a great finale for film two, but then, would that not just feel like the end of ‘the story’ and that film three was superflous? They have added the Azog/Bolg story theme in early to try to combat this odd sense of double endings, or perhaps more aptly; a tagged on second ending, that even the book has, but I still think the death of the dragon is going to seem like the big full stop if it comes at the end of this movie. This is not like Helms Deep where they can have a victory, yet still the unresolved Frodo wandering around with the ring… the focus of this is about reclaiming Erebor, whether its as a home, or for treasure, when the dragons dead, thats gonna seem like a classic hollywood (or Wellywood) ‘hurray we won’, without the need to worry about the cleaning up and all the other stuff that comes with the practicalities of real lives!

    Also: you get extra points for the Clash title!

  7. Halstein October 12, 2013 at 1:20 pm #

    I think Thrain will have given Gandalf the key and the map after the Battle of Azanulbizar. This will have happened when the dwarfs were wandering.



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